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Chinese Navy Jin Class Nuclear Submarine Fired Missile Off So Cal

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November 11, 2010: Wayne Madsen / Wayne Madsen Report via Infowars.com – November 10, 2010

As usual, the MSM dropped the ball on this one with vertical flying planes and ‘optical illusions’ dominating their spin! – SJH

China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan Island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast.

WMR’s intelligence sources within Asia, including in Japan, say the belief by the military commands throughout Asia and their intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia. The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama.

The day after the missile [off So Cal], China’s leading credit rating agency — Dagong Global Credit Rating — downgraded the sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.

The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.

There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.

Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a  JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.

Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.

Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.

The White House also wants to downplay the missile story before President Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s Navy can also play in waters off the American coast.

For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.

In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into  ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to as “Star Wars II.”

RT: Mystery Missile Launch Off California Coast From Submarine

The Tonka Report Editor’s Note: This is without a doubt the most reasonable explaination for the obvious submarine missile launch off the coast of So Cal, as the Pentagon and MSM will never tell you the truth! – SJH 

Link to link to original article below…

http://www.infowars.com/wayne-madsen-china-fired-missile-seen-in-southern-california/

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  1. Whatever guys go ahead and launch in international waters but let me know next time because I love seeing launches – please please Chinese !!! We know you won’t mess , it’s cute you can put some propellant into a shell and sub and pop it off the coast … But know damn well we watched you the whole way … Nobody plays cat and mouse like the Navy here and believe me, we knew you were going to test – I’d put 100 on it.

    Leonard P Ramsey III

    November 15, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    • Better had U.S. anti-missle hardware blasted the Chinese rocket after it breeched the water. Just shows U.S. defense is ineffective. Leadership, not money is the answer. Public education and military defense are oxymorons today. If it doesn’t change soon, we shall have no tomorrow.

      Thaddeus

      November 20, 2010 at 11:33 am

  2. For well over 30 years, the US and the USSR psyched each other out concerning missiles, missile detection, missile supremacy and finally the Soviet Union collapsed and their vaunted Nuclear Fleet now lies rusting away to scrap.
    The Chinese are picking up the game so, I suppose, the next step from us is to reinitiate the cat and mouse drill of yesteryear.
    How very naive we in the USA are to let our own Government try to lull us back into complacency by putting out the lies about what actually made that contrail off the California coast.
    Obama was rebuffed many times in his most recent Asiatic tour. Now the egg on his face is all over the entire American people.
    Some class, eh?

    Zarack Monday

    November 17, 2010 at 8:56 pm

  3. Zarack Monday,

    Considering the fact that China’s current government system was designed by the American-European Anglo-Saxon agents for the Zionist bankers who now control billions in US debt, not to mention the fact that nearly all significant US manufacturing and technology has been offshored to China, it would be a reasonable deduction to assume that China is the globalist’s chosen demon to unleash WWIII, thus creating their vision of a New World Order out of the ashes…

    – SJH

    The Tonka Report

    https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/

    Steven John Hibbs

    November 17, 2010 at 9:12 pm

  4. “belief by the military commands” Anyone is free to believe whatever they want. But when beliefs are unsubstantiated by any _evidence_ what are they worth?

    Jeff Buckles

    November 18, 2010 at 4:38 pm

  5. Jeff Buckles,

    Well, Jeff, there are multiple experts and intelligences sources quoted in both the Madsen article and the RT news report above that all verify the fact that it was a missile of foreign origin.

    Meanwhile, the US Military and Pentagon still deny it was theirs while the media spins optical illusions to the American public.

    Also, there was ample and dual motives for the Chinese to set off such a display where and when they did. Namely, the US mucking around in Taiwan and the Yellow Sea, and their demands for China to devalue the yuan before the G20 meeting in South Korea.

    Not to mention, do you really expect this criminal government to willingly admit to such an embarrassing security breach?

    If you want the actual evidence from the missile itself, I suggest you book a flight to northern China where you will find the remains of the inter-continental ballistic “mystery missile” under heavy Chinese military guard…

    – SJH

    The Tonka Report

    https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/

    Steven John Hibbs

    November 18, 2010 at 5:24 pm

  6. I don’t see anything about this on Jane’s other than Jane’s reporting what DoD said. Nothing about Jane’s analysts describing it as a missile plume.

    I’m not saying it isn’t a missile, but I searched Janes.com and didn’t find anything.

    Can you please post a link to the Jane’s commentary/analysis?

    fortibus85

    November 19, 2010 at 6:56 pm

  7. Fortibus85,

    You won’t find anything on Janes.com for exactly what you just said, that they regurgitated DoD propaganda…

    – SJH

    Steven John Hibbs

    November 20, 2010 at 1:05 am

  8. TTR UPDATE

    Chinese EMP Attack Prompts US Missile Strike

    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517866?ref=feeds%2Fcategory%2Fusworld

    This certainly sheds new light!

    – SJH

    The Tonka Report
    https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/

    Steven John Hibbs

    November 20, 2010 at 2:08 pm

  9. It’s absolutely amazing that no one remembers the
    Clinton White House and hundreds of visits by
    Chinese operatives who paid BIG bucks for this kind
    of technology. Wake up guys!!!

    Shadyman

    November 21, 2010 at 12:05 am

  10. Shadyman,

    It’s also absolutely amazing how well those same people remember the last episode of Dancing With The Stars and numerous other mindless triviality…

    Wake up, indeed!

    – SJH

    Steven John Hibbs

    November 21, 2010 at 6:45 pm

  11. There are a bunch of reasons why this Chinese sub launch story doesn’t pass muster with me.

    1) Ballistic missiles have launch stages that would have marked their separations with diverging contrails falling away from the one left by the primary vehicle. Those contrails do not exist.

    2) The launch is said to have taken place about 35 miles west of LAX. San Clamente and St Nicholas Island lay about 60 miles West of LAX. We claim our territorial waters extend 12 miles beyond those islands. So this supposed missile launch took place well inside US territorial waters. That’s an act of war, not a demonstration, not a poltical point, not a tweak. It’s a freakin act of war.

    3) San Clemente and St Nicholas both have Naval bases on them. We practice Anti-Submarine warfare in those waters. At any given time there are US attack submarines, surface warships and ASW aircraft and helicopters in the area. There is also an extensive array of fixed underwater hydrophones there to pick up any submarines in the area. If the Chinese wanted to approach the West coast they picked a place where they are not only very likely to be detected but also attacked. Having hunted submarines during my time in the service I can tell you with absolute certainty that our Navy has standing orders to attack ANY unidentified submerged contact within our waters, without warning and with everything we have. There are long range ASW P-3 Orions stationed a point Magu on St Nicholas that are deadly sub killers. If a submarine from any nation entered our waters it would be found and killed very quickly. If a Chinese sub launched a missile(exactly marking its location) relatiation against it would have been a matter of a couple of minutes.
    4) LAX has an restricted air corridor that all aircraft must fly thru since 9/11. That missile launch took place within that corridor. There should be dozens of pilots that saw that vertical contrail. And there doesn’t seem to be any at this point.

    5) Ballistic missile launches from submarines are a hugly serious thing that nobody plays games with. It’s too dangerous. By treaty and careful diplomacy nations capable of ballistic missile launches give advance notice that includes the date, time and place of such launches. To do otherwise is to make make a statement of open belligerence to every country on earth, not just the U.S.

    6) Much is being made of NORADs response but they were not asked to explain an unusual “contrail” spotted in the sky. They were asked to confirm or deny a “missile launch”, which they truthfully explained did not take place. You can’t blame them for answering the question that was put to them.

    7) Here is a link to contrail science that does a very convincing job of explaining why a missile launch is not the most plausible or logical explaination for what occured. http://contrailscience.com/

    Those of you who want to persist in this conspiracy theory can certainly do so. But, why would the Chinese risk losing a ballistic missile submarine in US waters heavily patrolled by ships, subs and planes of the US Navy to show us they can launch a missile from a submarine? We’ve known they could do that for 30 years. There are plenty of things to loath and dispise the Chinese for, this just isn’t one of them.

    sean spoonts

    December 3, 2010 at 6:12 pm

  12. Sean Spoonts,

    Having been an air radar technician in the US Marine Corps, II Marine Air Wing, you make a plausible argument here.

    However, NORAD did not confirm or deny whether it was a missile launch or not. They merely denied it was of US origin with no other explanation whatsoever as the corporate media spun optical illusions, among other ridiculous scenarios.

    Now, considering their (NORADs) dismal record on 9/11, they have some serious explaining to do to the American people concerning this military breach or cover-up that once again casts a dark shadow of doubt on their credibility due to their suspect silence and/or complicity concerning this not so mysterious event!

    China and the US are gaming for a world war by using their proxies North and South Korea. This is an orchestrated event to further implode the world economy while hiding their crimes via world war. The exact same thing occurred, albeit by manipulating slightly different pawns, before WWI and WWII broke out…

    – SJH

    The Tonka Report

    https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/

    Steven John Hibbs

    December 3, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    • Steve, I grant you that the government can screw things up. But I just don’t think they screwed this up. We were ready to drop an aerial torpedo on a whale that we thought was an unidentified submarine off Florida once. Was the Navy incompetent? No, the water was smooth and clear and we saw the dark shape of what appeared to be a sub. We confirmed that none of our subs was in the area, we reported the submerged contact, and prepared to launch our torpedo. Then it surfaced. But not before Jacksonville Naval Airstation, Kings Bay and Mayport Naval Station all went on alert. When we got back, nobody said a word of criticism. It was better to be safe than sorry. And I’m completely sure our initial contact report went to the Joint Chiefs and the White House as well. 20 years ago it didn’t get into the press in 15 minutes like things do now. But I’ll bet if this same thing happened today there would be reports of a coverup involving a chinese submarine that slipped into US waters undetected and escaped because the Navy was slow to respond. The ensuing panic causing a military alert along the southeastern coast of Florida and Georgia.

      Submarines lurking around are a big deal and its taken very seriously. A year or so back a Chinese sub popped to the surface about 5 miles from a carrier task force in the Pacific. Was it the Kittyhawk? Everybody went batshit over that too. “How could that Chinese sub get so close? blah, blah blah.” A surfaced sub is not the same threat as a submerged sub. That Chinese boat surfaced so it would not be an “unidentified” contact within 5 miles of that carrier which would have gotten him a lot of attention. My educated guess is that a US attack boat(which accompany carrier battle groups) detected him, snuck up his baffles and gave him an active ping with his sonar. In the parlance of the sub service this means; “I’ve got your ass cold.” The Chinese skipper shit himself and popped to the surface to give indentification and be recognized.

      Anyway, the press frequently gets it wrong and the public gets mighty stirred up. Steve, the Chinese are very bad but they are not insane. Shooting a missile off inside our territorial waters is the act of an insane country. And it is an act of war that we would react to like and act of war.

      We also part company on the proxy war thing with North and South Korea. China gives every indication of wanting to be a prosperious country. It’s economic future lies with us and steady, predictable trade relations between our two countries. South Korea is a basket case and a liability to China. I don’t think China is happy at all with South Korea acting so crazy. Since China is not an insane state they might be reasoning right now that a unified Korea that is unified along South Korean lines is a winnner for them. Instead of a basket case they have to pour money into that is destabilizing the region and bringing heat down on them, they could have a trading partner that is economically stable and non-belligerent. Which do you think China would see as serving their interests?

      sean spoonts

      December 4, 2010 at 2:05 am

  13. Sean Spoonts,

    Again, another very well written comment, Sean. But just to be clear, I believe you meant to say North Korea is a “liability” to China, did you not? At any rate, I knew what you meant, albeit the South did indeed provoke that entire incident with the help of US advisors… So who are the “crazy” ones here?

    I do believe China has prevailed as the cooler head concerning the Korea crisis. However, China holds $885 billion in worthless US Treasury Notes that they know the US can’t pay back.

    The only way for the US to renege on those notes is to orchestrate a war with China using the Koreas. This in turn will give Israel the perfect opportunity to attack Iran as they supply a vast amount of oil to the Chinese, thus killing two birds with one stone.

    The “mystery missile” incident took place just before the G20 in Seoul, where China ultimately refused to revalue their currency at the behest of the Anglo-American-Zionist banksters to prevent the implosion of their (Chinese) economy.

    Whoever fired the missile is really immaterial at this point. The timing of it is far more intriguing. It very well could have been a black-op false flag by the US or Israel to point a condemning finger at China. It wouldn’t be the first time for either country to do so (eg. USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, OK City, 9/11, Cheonan, etc.).

    And to further stir the pot of war, the US is using South Korea as the stick to prod the North into direct conflict, thus drawing China and Iran into the mix. By doing so, the Neo-cons, Zionists, and international banksters along with the vast military-industrial complex all win in the endgame toward a New World Order via WWIII. Ordo ab chao: Order out of chaos… History again repeats itself.

    Korea: US Builds Asian-Military Alliance Against China And Russia

    https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/koreas-us-build-asian-military-alliance-against-china-and-russia/

    – SJH

    Steven John Hibbs

    December 4, 2010 at 12:27 pm


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